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PeterP
2013-08-15 19:25:09 UTC
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Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly Innovator-C (unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of 11.70.fc4 around somewhere.

According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon 840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!

This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings. Of course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well) would ever consider Informix.


D0IJGLL 320,040.00 384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU) Description IBM Informix Advanced Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW Subscription & Support 12 Months
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket, Multi-core
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs


Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a one off cost, not a software rental.

What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume standard PVU prices?

TIA.
Art Kagel
2013-08-15 20:43:53 UTC
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Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is still
FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute. You can pay for
support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and
not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway. Here
in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European
pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or
take.

The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which is
the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which
includes the Warehouse Accelerator).

There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and Workgroup
Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than Enterprise.
WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have a price
sheet handy).

You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK. They can get
you the correct pricing.

Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/

Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
those of the entities themselves.
Post by PeterP
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly Innovator-C
(unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of 11.70.fc4 around
somewhere.
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a
block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon
840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings. Of
course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well)
would ever consider Informix.
D0IJGLL 320,040.00 384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU) Description IBM Informix Advanced
Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW
Subscription & Support 12 Months
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket,
Multi-core
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you
still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd
party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you
are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a
one off cost, not a software rental.
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released
with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume
standard PVU prices?
TIA.
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http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
PeterP
2013-08-15 21:24:22 UTC
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Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is still FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute.  You can pay for support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway.  Here in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or take.  
The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which is the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which includes the Warehouse Accelerator).  
There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and Workgroup Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than Enterprise.  WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have a price sheet handy).
You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK.  They can get you the correct pricing.
Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference.  Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly Innovator-C (unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of 11.70.fc4 around somewhere.
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon 840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings. Of course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well) would ever consider Informix.
D0IJGLL         320,040.00      384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU)      Description      IBM Informix Advanced Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW Subscription & Support 12 Months
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details      Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket, Multi-core
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a one off cost, not a software rental.
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume standard PVU prices?
TIA.
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
Art Thanks, I've read about other versions.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/

Question - Just to buy the version you want for 12 months then not upgrade it's possible. It's not rented software. Want to get this point cleared up.


The Innovator-C used to be useful, now it's crippled to 1 CPU VP unless you can find 11.70.FC4 or less where it's still fine to run with 4 cores on 1 CPU. Also no DR option any more which also used to be free.
I was amazed to find you could run 16 cores under Windows for free.
I guess lots of people still run 11.70.FC3/4 :)

Anyhow, I'm trying to weigh up some options for databases. PDQ is useful hence EE.

I just was amazed to see on IBM's site that 1 typical CPU ran to $250,000. I thought it was much more like $25,000 and they must have made a mistake with with the site price being for a block of 10 not just 1 PVU.
$70,000 for a single core EE seems extremely steep.

Looking at MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, other open source options.
Seems Workgroup is almost a quarter the price BTW, but lacking PDQ.
Tracking down 11.50.FC3 "might" be a suitable niche option as it's free. But no updates.

If only InnoDB understood the buffer pool better without the need for memcache or io plugins. I guess I'm just spoilt by knowing Informix and PDQ.
Fernando Nunes
2013-08-15 21:57:52 UTC
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Post by PeterP
Art Thanks, I've read about other versions.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/
Question - Just to buy the version you want for 12 months then not upgrade
it's possible. It's not rented software. Want to get this point cleared up.
It's not rented. If you're ok to run your business without official
support. You can use the version you buy forever (in practice it will be
limited by OS/hardware supportability)
Post by PeterP
I just was amazed to see on IBM's site that 1 typical CPU ran to $250,000.
I thought it was much more like $25,000 and they must have made a mistake
with with the site price being for a block of 10 not just 1 PVU.
$70,000 for a single core EE seems extremely steep.
Aren't you confusing core with CPU? an Intel core can be (it may have
changed) 50, 70, 100 or 120 PVUs. Assuming the worst case it would be £372
(enterprise, not Advanced Enterprise) * 120 = £44640.
I don't think IBM ever published "units of 10)
Current CPUs have "too many cores". That's why people use virtualization to
cut software costs.
In terms of US prices, a single core of Oracle EE cost you $47.500 and you
have to add several "options". I don't want to do a bit by bit comparison,
but this should show you we're talking about the same class of values.
--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
Art Kagel
2013-08-15 21:59:48 UTC
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Yes, when you buy Informix licenses you own the software permanently and
that license includes the first year's support and bug fixes/upgrades. The
annual renewal is for software support which includes version upgrades and
bug fixes and is 20% of the original license cost (actually the current
cost for the same license level if that changes) per year. You do not have
to renew your support to keep using the software beyond the first year,
just to get upgrades, bug fixes, and support.

The 10 PVU block you saw is the minimum number of licenses you can purchase
(and the license block increment) but since all CPUs are rated at one of
30, 50, 70, 80, 100, or 120 PVUs that's not a problem. For a typical Intel
processor you need 100 or 120 PVUs per core so 10-12 blocks (50 PVUs for an
AMD core), but the pricing is given for each PVU. For Enterprise Edition
that's about $437/PVU, for Workgroup it is about $141/PVU or about $16,800
per socket (regardless of how many cores per socket).

But, that's not half a million dollars! Enterprise Edition on a four core
machine would be between $87,400 for an AMD based machine (70 PVU/core) and
$174,800 (100 PVU/core) for an Intel based machine with four or fewer
sockets. Now, that's not chump-change, but it's also not even close to
$500,000. I think that you were looking at the price for Advanced
Enterprise Edition which includes the Informix Warehouse Accelerator and is
therefore MUCH more expensive.

Here's the link to the PVU chart page:
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvu_licensing_for_customers.html

Art

Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/

Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
those of the entities themselves.
Post by Art Kagel
Post by Art Kagel
Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is
still FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute. You can pay for
support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and
not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway. Here
in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European
pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or
take.
Post by Art Kagel
The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which
is the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which
includes the Warehouse Accelerator).
Post by Art Kagel
There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and
Workgroup Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than
Enterprise. WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have
a price sheet handy).
Post by Art Kagel
You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK. They can get
you the correct pricing.
Post by Art Kagel
Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
those of the entities themselves.
Post by Art Kagel
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly
Innovator-C (unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of
11.70.fc4 around somewhere.
Post by Art Kagel
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a
block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon
840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
Post by Art Kagel
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings.
Of course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well)
would ever consider Informix.
Post by Art Kagel
D0IJGLL 320,040.00 384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU) Description IBM Informix Advanced
Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW
Subscription & Support 12 Months
Post by Art Kagel
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket,
Multi-core
Post by Art Kagel
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you
still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd
party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you
are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a
one off cost, not a software rental.
Post by Art Kagel
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released
with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume
standard PVU prices?
Post by Art Kagel
TIA.
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
Art Thanks, I've read about other versions.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/
Question - Just to buy the version you want for 12 months then not upgrade
it's possible. It's not rented software. Want to get this point cleared up.
The Innovator-C used to be useful, now it's crippled to 1 CPU VP unless
you can find 11.70.FC4 or less where it's still fine to run with 4 cores on
1 CPU. Also no DR option any more which also used to be free.
I was amazed to find you could run 16 cores under Windows for free.
I guess lots of people still run 11.70.FC3/4 :)
Anyhow, I'm trying to weigh up some options for databases. PDQ is useful hence EE.
I just was amazed to see on IBM's site that 1 typical CPU ran to $250,000.
I thought it was much more like $25,000 and they must have made a mistake
with with the site price being for a block of 10 not just 1 PVU.
$70,000 for a single core EE seems extremely steep.
Looking at MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQL Server, other open source options.
Seems Workgroup is almost a quarter the price BTW, but lacking PDQ.
Tracking down 11.50.FC3 "might" be a suitable niche option as it's free. But no updates.
If only InnoDB understood the buffer pool better without the need for
memcache or io plugins. I guess I'm just spoilt by knowing Informix and PDQ.
_______________________________________________
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Fernando Nunes
2013-08-15 21:32:33 UTC
Permalink
The price presented IS for Advanced Enterprise Edition. The edition that
includes everything, including Informix warehouse accelerator, with the
only exception of storage optimization (compression on the "traditional"
database). Then we have some other glitches in the OP message...
It mentions 2 core, but the calculation was based on 12 cores... a big
difference. For a 2 cores machine, assuming 70 PVUs each core, it would be
140 PVUs (140 * £384 = 53760)
12 cores would be a big machine.

As for support/licensing... You're free to use the software without
support. You "just" don't get technical support and upgrades.
There will be a "penalty" for "reinstatement" Not sure how much. You should
contact a sales representative or a partner. But get the correct product
and number of cores.
Regards
Post by Art Kagel
Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is
still FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute. You can pay for
support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and
not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway. Here
in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European
pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or
take.
The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which
is the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which
includes the Warehouse Accelerator).
There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and Workgroup
Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than Enterprise.
WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have a price
sheet handy).
You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK. They can get
you the correct pricing.
Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
those of the entities themselves.
Post by PeterP
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly Innovator-C
(unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of 11.70.fc4 around
somewhere.
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a
block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon
840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings. Of
course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well)
would ever consider Informix.
D0IJGLL 320,040.00 384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU) Description IBM Informix Advanced
Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW
Subscription & Support 12 Months
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket,
Multi-core
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you
still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd
party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you
are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a
one off cost, not a software rental.
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released
with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume
standard PVU prices?
TIA.
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
PeterP
2013-08-15 21:54:51 UTC
Permalink
The price presented IS for Advanced Enterprise Edition. The edition that includes everything, including Informix warehouse accelerator, with the only exception of storage optimization (compression on the "traditional" database). Then we have some other glitches in the OP message...
It mentions 2 core, but the calculation was based on 12 cores... a big difference. For a 2 cores machine, assuming 70 PVUs each core, it would be 140 PVUs (140 * £384 = 53760)
12 cores would be a big machine.
As for support/licensing... You're free to use the software without support. You "just" don't get technical support and upgrades.
There will be a "penalty" for "reinstatement" Not sure how much. You should contact a sales representative or a partner. But get the correct product and number of cores.
Regards
Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is still FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute.  You can pay for support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway.  Here in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or take.  
The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which is the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which includes the Warehouse Accelerator).  
There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and Workgroup Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than Enterprise.  WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have a price sheet handy).
You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK.  They can get you the correct pricing.
Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference.  Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly Innovator-C (unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of 11.70.fc4 around somewhere.
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon 840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings. Of course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well) would ever consider Informix.
D0IJGLL         320,040.00      384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU)      Description      IBM Informix Advanced Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW Subscription & Support 12 Months
Delete
Processor Value Unit (PVU) details      Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket, Multi-core
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a one off cost, not a software rental.
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume standard PVU prices?
TIA.
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
_______________________________________________
Informix-list mailing list
http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal
http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
Thanks Fernando for clearing up purchase/lease and the 2 core calculation.

Unfortunately you cant edit groups.

I stated:
"It makes a 2 core older xeon 840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!"

I guessed it was obvious I was looking at 840pvu and just mixed up the words core and CPU although my keyboard brain interface or cut paste has managed to invent a new term - pcu :)

It would be unusual to buy a 2 core CPU if that's still possible (£100) and run £384k of software on it. Surely this sentence makes a very good point.
As for compression, MySQL etc all do it for free but perhaps at the expense of page structure.


I hope IBM comes up with yet another pricing plan for Informix. Surely they could throw some big data analysis / expert machine at it to work it out.
Yes, VAR's do discounts depending who you are. Even Oracle customers are defecting to MySQL / Percona, leaving Microsoft the BI Stack and PostgreSQL to spatial.
Not played much with MS AlwaysOn server groups yet esp in SQL2014, but if it works, Madison is not going to be happy. I looks like just 2 dominant databases will be left standing.
Fernando Nunes
2013-08-15 22:04:45 UTC
Permalink
Look at my other message. I was not confused by "pcu". I'm just confused
why you mix 2 cores with 840 PVUs. 2 cores, would be in a worst case
240PVUs. But in your example (70PVU/core) it would be 140.
In your paste, it's stated 12 cores. So you're referring to an hexacore
CPU. 12 cores is a big machine.... if you really need it all, it will in
fact cost money. If you don't, create a smaller virtual machine.

Regards.
Post by Fernando Nunes
Post by Fernando Nunes
The price presented IS for Advanced Enterprise Edition. The edition that
includes everything, including Informix warehouse accelerator, with the
only exception of storage optimization (compression on the "traditional"
database). Then we have some other glitches in the OP message...
Post by Fernando Nunes
It mentions 2 core, but the calculation was based on 12 cores... a big
difference. For a 2 cores machine, assuming 70 PVUs each core, it would be
140 PVUs (140 * £384 = 53760)
Post by Fernando Nunes
12 cores would be a big machine.
As for support/licensing... You're free to use the software without
support. You "just" don't get technical support and upgrades.
Post by Fernando Nunes
There will be a "penalty" for "reinstatement" Not sure how much. You
should contact a sales representative or a partner. But get the correct
product and number of cores.
Post by Fernando Nunes
Regards
Peter, as far as I know, The IBM Informix Innovator-C Edition (IE) is
still FREE for any use whatsoever, except to redistribute. You can pay for
support (it comes free without support) but that's a flat annual fee and
not dependent on PVUs since IE is limited to a single CPU VP anyway. Here
in the US the support is about $2000 or a bit more, and though the European
pricing is independent if US pricing, it should be about the same give or
take.
Post by Fernando Nunes
The pricing you are seeing is for Informix Enterprise Edition (EE) which
is the most expensive (OK except for Advanced Enterprise Edition which
includes the Warehouse Accelerator).
Post by Fernando Nunes
There are two Editions in between IE and EE: Express Edition and
Workgroup Edition (WE) which would be substantially less expensive than
Enterprise. WE would be somewhere on the order of five digits (don't have
a price sheet handy).
Post by Fernando Nunes
You should contact a UK partner like Ardenta or Oninit UK. They can get
you the correct pricing.
Post by Fernando Nunes
Art S. Kagel
Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any
other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor
those of the entities themselves.
Post by Fernando Nunes
Just wondering about licensing / pricing Informix. Annoyingly
Innovator-C (unix and windows) got a hike unless you have a copy of
11.70.fc4 around somewhere.
Post by Fernando Nunes
According to IBM's PVU calc on the UK site, the cost is for 1 pvu, NOT a
block of 10 is £381+vat. Is this a mistake. It makes a 2 core older xeon
840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU older Xeon machine!!
Post by Fernando Nunes
This seems at least 10 times off compared to other database offerings.
Of course nobody even with discounts (which other offerings have as well)
would ever consider Informix.
Post by Fernando Nunes
D0IJGLL 320,040.00 384,048.00
Processor Value Unit (PVU) Description IBM Informix Advanced
Enterprise Edition CPU Option Processor Value Unit (PVU) License + SW
Subscription & Support 12 Months
Post by Fernando Nunes
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Processor Value Unit (PVU) details Intel®, Xeon®, 1 or 2 Socket,
Multi-core
Post by Fernando Nunes
12 Processor cores
70 PVUs per core
840 total PVUs
Also, PVU comes with 12 mths support. I presume, after a year is up, you
still have the option to not renew maintenance and get support from a 3rd
party BUT still continue to use the database but stay on the version you
are currently on as no updates without subscripton. So effectively it's a
one off cost, not a software rental.
Post by Fernando Nunes
What is the penalty if any for returning once a new version is released
with a desired feature? Or if you it a really bad bug. I would presume
standard PVU prices?
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TIA.
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Thanks Fernando for clearing up purchase/lease and the 2 core calculation.
Unfortunately you cant edit groups.
"It makes a 2 core older xeon 840pcu £384k. Half a million $ for a 2 CPU
older Xeon machine!!"
I guessed it was obvious I was looking at 840pvu and just mixed up the
words core and CPU although my keyboard brain interface or cut paste has
managed to invent a new term - pcu :)
It would be unusual to buy a 2 core CPU if that's still possible (£100)
and run £384k of software on it. Surely this sentence makes a very good
point.
As for compression, MySQL etc all do it for free but perhaps at the
expense of page structure.
I hope IBM comes up with yet another pricing plan for Informix. Surely
they could throw some big data analysis / expert machine at it to work it
out.
Yes, VAR's do discounts depending who you are. Even Oracle customers are
defecting to MySQL / Percona, leaving Microsoft the BI Stack and PostgreSQL
to spatial.
Not played much with MS AlwaysOn server groups yet esp in SQL2014, but if
it works, Madison is not going to be happy. I looks like just 2 dominant
databases will be left standing.
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