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WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
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Honey
2008-01-29 10:45:37 UTC
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Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.

Thanks,

Honey
scottishpoet
2008-01-30 13:20:43 UTC
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Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,

WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.

I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
if they have any more info
Richard Kofler
2008-01-30 13:38:07 UTC
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Post by scottishpoet
Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,
WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
if they have any more info
I definitely can remember (yes, I am _very_ old!) that I got
a test version of WingZ for the Mac in 1989.
This was in Frankfurt/Main, Germany on a Sun Info Day type of
event.
Maybe search groups.google.com in the usenet mac centric newsgroups
or simply use keywords 'mac' and 'wingz'.

HTH, dic_k
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Ian Michael Gumby
2008-01-30 17:57:12 UTC
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Uhm...
I resemble that remark.

Yes it was after the purchase there was a "new" release of the product 1989 and it was the marketing launch.
I do have a Wingz bag (red), a coffee cup and a Wingz pin from the "good ol' days" ... ;-)
Subject: Re: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:20:43 -0800
Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,
WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
if they have any more info
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2008-01-30 18:15:55 UTC
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Uhm...
I resemble that remark.
Yes it was after the purchase there was a "new" release of the product 1989 and it was the marketing launch.
I do have a Wingz bag (red), a coffee cup and a Wingz pin from the "good ol' days" ... ;-)
Subject: Re: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:20:43 -0800
Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,
WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
funny who you can track down in IBM... this guy left informix about 10
years ago!!

That was the year I joined Informix Support and it was my team that
supported Smartware and WingZ (the Office Automation products as we
used to call them). I don't know if you have any knowledge of WingZ
but basically it was pretty much the first spreadsheet to use graphics
and operate in a Windows environment - the true forebear to Excel back
when all other spreadsheets were strictly character-based. Since PCs
in those days had no concept of Windows (Windows 3.1 - the first
SERIOUS PC-based Windows o/s was only starting to reach the market
late in that year/early the next year), WingZ was mainly targeted at
the tiny Mac market.

The WingZ world tour was, I am sure, a marketing roadshow designed to
launch the product across the three business regions of US, Europe and
AsiaPac - a typical excuse dreamed up by Marketing so they could have
a worldwide trip no doubt. Nothing changes!

That jacket is a rarity though. few people even at Informix were ever
involved with WingZ. Let the poster know they have a gem on their
hands.

Then there is this on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informix_Wingz

If you can email me a cpoy of the badges I can confirm if it is the
WingZ product logo or not
Honey
2008-01-31 12:49:42 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:15:55 -0800 (PST), in comp.databases.informix
Post by scottishpoet
If you can email me a cpoy of the badges I can confirm if it is the
WingZ product logo or not
HI!

I did send pictures but in case they get filtered out or maybe someone else
wants to see it, I put them on photobucket.

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I've had it for about a year but forgot all about it. I thought it was from
Paul McCartney & Wingz. :-) But I was cleaning out a closet, found it,
started looking around and here I am cause there's not one word about any
'tour' on the net that I can find.

Honey
Obnoxio The Clown
2008-01-31 13:35:19 UTC
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Post by Honey
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:15:55 -0800 (PST), in comp.databases.informix
Post by scottishpoet
If you can email me a cpoy of the badges I can confirm if it is the
WingZ product logo or not
HI!
I did send pictures but in case they get filtered out or maybe someone else
wants to see it, I put them on photobucket.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzfront.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzback.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzlogo.jpg
I've had it for about a year but forgot all about it. I thought it was from
Paul McCartney & Wingz. :-) But I was cleaning out a closet, found it,
started looking around and here I am cause there's not one word about any
'tour' on the net that I can find.
That's the WingZ product logo, alright.
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malcolm.iiug
2008-02-01 09:21:58 UTC
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Looks genuine to me. The logo agrees with the Wingz logo on Mastering Wingz
- The official Introduction to the Wingz presentation spreadsheet.

Regards

Malcolm

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:15:55 -0800 (PST), in comp.databases.informix
Post by scottishpoet
If you can email me a cpoy of the badges I can confirm if it is the
WingZ product logo or not
HI!

I did send pictures but in case they get filtered out or maybe someone else
wants to see it, I put them on photobucket.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzfront.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzback.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/honey3227/wingzlogo.jpg

I've had it for about a year but forgot all about it. I thought it was from
Paul McCartney & Wingz. :-) But I was cleaning out a closet, found it,
started looking around and here I am cause there's not one word about any
'tour' on the net that I can find.

Honey
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I just ran across this posting while i was looking for references to the Wingz jackets. I was a cofounder of a software company that made an add-on for this suiite back at the time this software and the preceding "Smartware" suite were being sold. We also resold a ton of the Smartware suite as well. I just dug my Wingz black satin jacket out of storage and it's in perfect condition. It even still fits. :-) I believe i still have a copy of the old Smartware software in my archives as well.

-terry
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Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World Tour
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days and
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that was
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing a
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I figured
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,
WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
if they have any more info
h***@gmail.com
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Yes, I have one of those jackets.The lady of our house wears it all the time. Given to me by Wingz sales Rep. Managed an Egghead Software back then.
Still looks good as new.

malcolm.iiug
2008-02-01 14:57:27 UTC
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Subject: RE: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?



I didn't get to go on the world tour. But I was around in those days.



Wingz was a very powerful spreadsheet written in a powerful 4GL called
HyperScript. In fact Wingz could handle a bigger worksheet(32768 by 32768)
in 1989 than Excel can handle now.

HyperScript was a very powerful language for developing GUI business
intelligence applications. It had database access - of course - and some
really neat charts. One demo used a spreadsheet to draw a pictorial
representation of Starship Enterprise.

Originally both products were developed for MAC - and ported from there to
Windows 3.1 and UNIX Motif.

I even have a copy of Mastering Wingz - The Official Introduction to Wingz
Presentation Spreadsheet - ISBN 0-553-34706-3 and I daresay I might even be
able to rustle up some product disks. But if I recall they were 5.25 inch
floppies.

I even worked on some projects into the mid 90's which were developed using
HyperScript front-ending Online 5.



IMHO Wingz and HyperScript were classic examples of very good products which
were let down by Informix marketing of the time- but what do I know?



Regards

Malcolm

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Subject: RE: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?




Uhm...
I resemble that remark.

Yes it was after the purchase there was a "new" release of the product 1989
and it was the marketing launch.
I do have a Wingz bag (red), a coffee cup and a Wingz pin from the "good ol'
days" ... ;-)
Subject: Re: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:20:43 -0800
Post by Honey
Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World
Tour
Post by Honey
'89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days
and
Post by Honey
only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that
was
Post by Honey
released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing
a
Post by Honey
world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I
figured
Post by Honey
I'd ask here.
Thanks,
Honey
Honey,
WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
if they have any more info
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DaveK
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I still have my SMARTWARE II mug, and it still keeps a beverage hot ;-)

If I have my timeline correct, Innovative Technologies, which produced the
products Smartware and Smartware II, integrated office suite products for the
PC, either bought WingZ or developed it themselves - not sure which. Informix
bought Innovative around 1988/89 and inherited WingZ as part of that deal.

WingZ was a pretty cool product - I still remember the "Kansas City House
Hunter" demo that showed a way cool (especially for the time) house search
application complete with actual pictures of the houses (bleeding edge tech back
then.) WingZ wasn't *entirely* ignored by Informix marketing, but the real
sticky wicket came when they tried to produce a follow up to both it and
Informix-4GL, a product that was eventually to become NewEra (original internal
name was 4GL++). Two different tools development groups, WingZ and 4GL, who had
very different ideas about what the final product should be. Curiously enough,
the product that was produced was similar in many ways to Java - object
oriented, object libraries to provide additional (non-core) functionality,
interpreted rather than compiled, etc.

DaveK

Also sprach "malcolm.iiug" <***@btopenworld.com> :

:
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: _____
:
:From: malcolm.iiug [mailto:***@btopenworld.com]
:Sent: 30 January 2008 23:13
:To: 'Ian Michael Gumby'
:Subject: RE: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
:
:
:
:I didn't get to go on the world tour. But I was around in those days.
:
:
:
:Wingz was a very powerful spreadsheet written in a powerful 4GL called
:HyperScript. In fact Wingz could handle a bigger worksheet(32768 by 32768)
:in 1989 than Excel can handle now.
:
:HyperScript was a very powerful language for developing GUI business
:intelligence applications. It had database access - of course - and some
:really neat charts. One demo used a spreadsheet to draw a pictorial
:representation of Starship Enterprise.
:
:Originally both products were developed for MAC - and ported from there to
:Windows 3.1 and UNIX Motif.
:
:I even have a copy of Mastering Wingz - The Official Introduction to Wingz
:Presentation Spreadsheet - ISBN 0-553-34706-3 and I daresay I might even be
:able to rustle up some product disks. But if I recall they were 5.25 inch
:floppies.
:
:I even worked on some projects into the mid 90's which were developed using
:HyperScript front-ending Online 5.
:
:
:
:IMHO Wingz and HyperScript were classic examples of very good products which
:were let down by Informix marketing of the time- but what do I know?
:
:
:
:Regards
:
:Malcolm
:
: _____
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:From: informix-list-***@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-***@iiug.org]
:On Behalf Of Ian Michael Gumby
:Sent: 30 January 2008 17:57
:To: scottishpoet; informix-***@iiug.org
:Subject: RE: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
:
:
:
:
:Uhm...
:I resemble that remark.
:
:Yes it was after the purchase there was a "new" release of the product 1989
:and it was the marketing launch.
:I do have a Wingz bag (red), a coffee cup and a Wingz pin from the "good ol'
:days" ... ;-)
:
:> From: ***@yahoo.com
:> Subject: Re: WingZ 1989 World Tour - any info?
:> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:20:43 -0800
:> To: informix-***@iiug.org
:>
:> On Jan 29, 10:45 am, Honey <***@gmail.dot.com> wrote:
:> > Does anyone have any info or pointers or links or anything about a World
:> > Tour of WingZ in 1989? Searching the net brings up absolutely zero so I
:> > don't know what it is I have - a black satin jacket with WingZ World
:Tour
:> > '89 patches embroidered on the front and back. I've searched for days
:and
:> > only been able to find out that WingZ was a spreadsheet software that
:was
:> > released in 1989 by Informix, but I've never heard of any software doing
:a
:> > world tour. That I can find there's was no music group around back then
:> > with that name and I can't think of anything else it could be so I
:figured
:> > I'd ask here.
:> >
:> > Thanks,
:> >
:> > Honey
:>
:>
:> Honey,
:>
:> WingZ was ready for release in 1988 and was bought by Informix (or
:> SmartWare??) in 1989 . Either of these events could have led to a
:> world wide product launch which incoropated a "world tour". This could
:> have lead to some "neat" giveaways such as the back satin jacket, in
:> the "Good old days" software companies gave out some nice gifts.
:>
:> I am not sure if anyone from 1989 is still around. I have passed the
:> question around one or two of the guys that were with SmartWare to see
:> if they have any more info
:>
:>
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Ian Michael Gumby
2008-02-11 21:31:17 UTC
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:57:48 +0000
I still have my SMARTWARE II mug, and it still keeps a beverage hot ;-)
WingZ was a pretty cool product - I still remember the "Kansas City House
Hunter" demo that showed a way cool (especially for the time) house search
application complete with actual pictures of the houses (bleeding edge tech back
then.) WingZ wasn't *entirely* ignored by Informix marketing, but the real
sticky wicket came when they tried to produce a follow up to both it and
Informix-4GL, a product that was eventually to become NewEra (original internal
name was 4GL++). Two different tools development groups, WingZ and 4GL, who had
very different ideas about what the final product should be. Curiously enough,
the product that was produced was similar in many ways to Java - object
oriented, object libraries to provide additional (non-core) functionality,
interpreted rather than compiled, etc.
The only comparison you could make about NewEra to Java is if you were comparing a Mercedes AMG S series car to a
rusting out Yugo.

Sorry there were so many things wrong with NewEra, it was designed by people who didn't grok programming lanugages or OO all that well.

But wait, wasn't this one of Mark Scranton's brilliant ideas? ;-)
(just kidding. Maybe he's the disgruntled insider?)

-G


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Post by Ian Michael Gumby
The only comparison you could make about NewEra to Java is if you
were comparing a Mercedes AMG S series car to a rusting out Yugo.
I have a feeling that's a bit unkind to the average Yugo.
Post by Ian Michael Gumby
But wait, wasn't this one of Mark Scranton's brilliant ideas? ;-)
(just kidding. Maybe he's the disgruntled insider?)
No - whatever his other sins, I'm pretty sure he wasn't involved in that.
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Honey
2008-02-02 14:00:03 UTC
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Just wanted to say thanks for the info, guys. It makes sense now where it
didn't before.

Honey
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